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 Quelle huile pour ma mob ?

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MessageSujet: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 20:02

Voilà de quoi éclairer nos lanternes...(extrait de MXA mag US le + fiable que j'ai pu lire...) En agnlais, mais bon c'est très simple de faire un copié collé sur un site de trad et de comprendre (je dis ça pour ceusses qui n'ont pas la bit'ude ) et notamment un passage intéréssant sur les huiles auto ds vos mobs, après c'est vs qui voyez si ça vaut l'coup ou pas de mettre l'huile Zoubida pour R12 ds votre Hot bike fume bonne lecture pilote

SECRET WORLD OF FOUR-STROKE OIL

The life blood of a four-stroke engine is motor oil. It breathes it, eats it and oozes it. Most four-strokes, save the CRF450 and CRF250, use the same motor oil to lubricate the valves, cam, piston, crank, clutch and transmission. This shared oil forces the motor oil to lubricate more than double the moving parts as the independent premix and gearbox oil of a two-stroke.

In an effort to reduce weight, maximize power and trim the cases, your lightweight four-stroke motocross engine uses just enough oil to get the job done. On a racing machine, it's more important than ever to use the best racing oil made and to change it routinely.

Q: IS AUTOMOTIVE MOTOR OIL BAD FOR A MOTORCYCLE?



A: Not bad, but probably not the best. Why not? It is designed in reverse order to a motorcycle oil. The priority hierarchy of automotive motor oil is: (1) maximize fuel economy, (2) reduce emissions and then (3) to offer protection for the moving parts. Today’s automotive motor oils do not have the same degree of extreme pressure and anti-wear agents that they did just a decade ago.

Q: WHEN WAS AUTOMOTIVE OIL AT ITS BEST?



A: Oil changed ten years ago when automakers were pressured to clean up the air. Since 1993, the entire automotive industry has worked to reduce exhaust emissions. Automotive motor oil must adhere to the performance categories set by the American Petroleum Institute (API). These are called the API Service Categories. The API categories have been around for 50 years, but for the first 35, the categories were upgraded six times to meet the demand for higher engine performance.

The current American Petroleum Institute (API) designation is SL. The API SL oils are designed to provide better high temperature deposit control and lower oil consumption. SL oils are missing important agents that improve extreme use lubrication. In their place are friction modifiers that improve fuel economy.

Q: WILL AUTOMOTIVE MOTOR OIL HURT MY BIKE?



A: It could. If you're using an automotive motor oil in your racing four-stroke, you're not buying the best protection. An API SL oil is missing vital anti-wear components: the most common being zinc, phosphorus and sulfur. These agents are harmful to the catalyst that is used to diminish the level of pollutants in automobile exhaust.

Q: WILL AUTOMOTIVE OIL HURT MY CLUTCH?



A: Yes. The friction modifiers in motor oil improve fuel economy by making it easier for the gears, bearings, pistons and rings to slip, slide and turn inside the engine. Unfortunately, these friction-minimizing agents also make it easier for the clutch in a motorcycle to slip. If you are use automotive motor oil in your bike, apart from CRFs, you are losing hook-up and acceleration, as well as reducing the life of the clutch.

Q: WHY SHOULD I MEMORIZE THE ACRONYM “JASO�?



A: As soon as it became apparent that the American government was mandating economy over protection, the Japanese Automotive Standards Organization (JASO) developed a standard specifically for performance four-stroke motorcycles. JASO designates two different four-stroke oil classifications: MA and MB. The MB oil is low friction and the MA is sans the friction enhancers.

Q: WHY ARE MOTORCYCLE-SPECIFIC OILS BETTER?



A: Motorcycle specific oils are pumped up with five times the anti-wear, anti-scuff and extreme pressure additives of regular motor oil. As an added plus, motorcycle oil does not include molybdenum disulfide and other friction modifiers that wreak havoc on clutch performance.

Maxima, a popular motorcycle oil supplier, starts with an API SG Service Category base oil; the last formulation that wasn't regulated as to the amount of zincdialkyldithiophosphate (zinc, phosphorus and sulfur) it could contain. Maxima then boosts protection through a proprietary mix of performance additives. The end result is a motorcycle oil that doesn't break down under extreme heat and is tough enough to cushion meshing gears.

Q: WHICH FOUR-STROKE RACING OIL SHOULD I USE?



A: If the bottle of oil doesn't list that it is an API SG Service Category or JASO MA spec, it's not good enough for your motocross bike. Although a bottle of oil might say "motorcycle specific" or "safe in wet clutches," the best endorsement is the API SG or JASO MA designation. It’s better to be safe than sorry.

There is a caveat that applies to CRF owners, however--which we will clear up in a few paragraphs.

Q: WHAT VISCOSITY SHOULD I USE?



A: The most popular viscosity is 10w40. It's thin enough not to bog down the crank and offers ultimate protection under an extreme load. Every owner’s manual lists the recommended oils, brands and viscosities.

Q: HOW IS A CRF LIKE A CAR?



A: The Honda CRF250 and CRF450 oil system separates the combustion side of the engine from the transmission. The CRF separates the engine sump to keep the metal shavings from the transmission from floating around in the same oil that is used to lubricate the piston, rings, and rod and crank bearings.

The upside of this design is that the CRF can use a slipperier JASO MB-spec oil in the top-end, while using a JASO MA-spec oil in the transmission.

Q: WHAT ABOUT THE CRF TRANSMISSION?



A: Do not use automotive motor or gear oil in the CRF transmission. If the gear oil label doesn't have the word "two-stroke gear oil," "safe to use in wet clutches," or the API SG or JASO MA designation, don't use it.



Q: IS IT BETTER TO SEPARATE THE ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION OIL?



Yes and no. Honda uses separate oil for the CRF’s top-end and transmission. This is not a new idea. BSA did it decades ago. Yamaha, Kawasaki, KTM and Suzuki use the same oil in the top-end and tranny. Which is better?

Separate oil: The benefit of separating the oil, like Honda does, is that the top-end is not contaminated by clutch debris or broken teeth. Additionally, the heat of the combustion side does not thin out the transmission and clutch oil. The CRF can use an MA-series oil in the transmission and slippery MB-series oil in the top-end.

The downside is that the oil quantity in each chamber is reduced (to approximately 650cc), increasing the need for more frequent oil changes. Any oil loss, no matter how small, becomes critical when you have a small pool to draw from.

Shared oil: The benefits of using the same oil throughout the engine, like the RM-Z, KX-F, KTM and YZ-F, is that the large supply is less likely to reach critical levels, overall engine temperatures are reduced and oil changes aren’t demanded as frequently. On the downside, shared oil engines must use an MA-series oil for the clutch (which means that the top-end doesn’t get the benefits of the slippery MB friction modifiers).



Q: WET SUMP, DRY SUMP OR SEMI-DRY SUMP?



A: Don’t get to confused by these terms. By definition they are different, but in action they all work about the same.

A wet sump engine has a pool of oil in the crankcase. A dry sump engine doesn’t store oil in the crankcase, but instead in a remote tank and the oil lines. A semi-dry sump engine is, in reality, just a marketing term for a wet sump engine that tries to elevate the crankshaft out of the pool of oil.

The Yamaha YZ-F is dry sump design. All other four-strokes use wet sumps, although they go to great lengths to avoid the negatives of an old-school oil pan under the engine. Suzuki and Kawasaki coined the semi-dry sump terminology, but the KX-F and RM-Z are at the very least semi-wet sump engines.

Q: DID SUZUKI BORROW A TRICK FROM HUSKY?



A: No, but the new RM-Z250/KX250F does make use of something that Husqvarna introduced in 1982--reed valve oil circulation. As with the Honda CRF, Suzuki and Kawasaki try to separate engine oil from transmission oil. But, in truth, the KX-F and RM-Z only trick the top-end into thinking that it has its own engine oil. It doesn’t. Transmission oil is pumped through a filter to lubricate the valves, rocker arms, piston, rings, rod bearings and crank bearings.

Where does Husky’s reed valve fit into the picture? Once the KX-F/RM-Z oil is pumped through the top-end, it exits the crank cavity through a reed valve that circulates the oil back to the transmission. Thus, the KX250F and RM-Z250 must use a JASO MA-spec oil (not a slippery MB-spec). The Suzuki engine designer used this reed valve system to keep the crank from spinning in a bath of oil. Why? A free spinning crank maximizes response and power output. How much are we talking about? At least one horsepower.

The oil requirements are identical to those of any 4-stroke that uses the same oil to lubricate the engine and gearbox.

Q: CAN OIL MAKE MORE HORSEPOWER?



A: Yes. Special blends of low viscosity ester synthetics can protect like a 30W under extreme use, but let the crank spin like it has an 0W. Zero weight is the same viscosity as water.

But, the real secret to getting horsepower out of four-stroke oil is to use less of it. Most modern four-stroke engine designers try to keep the crank (and even the transmission gears) from being submerged in an oil bath. It takes horsepower to slog these parts through heavy oil. Thus, lessening the amount of oil that pools at the bottom of the crankcase or gearbox increases horsepower.

Q: HOW OFTEN SHOULD I CHANGE MY OIL?



A: Yamaha recommends changing the oil and oil filter every five rides. Honda's Eric Crippa advises changing the engine oil as frequently as possible and changing the oil filter every fifth time. One of the problems with a frequent service regimen is that it provokes people to use cheaper oil.



Q: CAN I LEARN ANYTHING FROM MY OLD OIL?

A: Yes. Pay careful attention to the condition of the spent oil. If it looks and smells dirty, you need to service it more frequently. Extend the time between service intervals if the oil appears and smells clean.

High-end race teams, Formula 1 and Reno Air racers send their used oil out to have it analyzed. Laboratory tests can use a spectrograph to determine what metal particles are in the oil--and whether that particle evidence could be pointing towards a potential failure. This is too expensive and extreme for a local racer, but you should always sift used oil for broken clutch plates, teeth from gears or any other unusual conditions.

Q: HOW DOES AN OIL FILTER WORK?



A: Four-strokes need oil filters because the oil gets dirtier quicker. The oil filter on a motocross bike is just like the oil filter on your car (or coffee filters on your Mr. Coffee). They work like this: A pump at the bottom of the engine sends oil into the filter to be strained. From there, the pumping action distributes the oil to the combustion area first. This is done so the most important parts of the engine--camshaft, valves, main bearings and big-end bearings--receive the cleanest oil. Pumping pressure in a modern four-stroke is between 6 and 12 pounds.



Q: SHOULD I REPLACE THE FILTER EVERY TIME I CHANGE THE OIL?

A: Yes and no. The ultimate maintenance program would be to change the oil and filter every hour of riding, but very few local racers follow this regimen.



Q: WHAT OIL SHOULD I USE IN MY FERRARI?



A: Unless you are a factory rider, you can skip this question. If you want the best protection for your 360 Modena Berlinetta, run an Ester Synthetic, API SG, JASO MB, four-stroke, motorcycle racing oil.

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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 20:35

tu peu pas nous le traduire grosse feignasse !!! fouet fouet hi
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 20:37

nitrousoxyde a écrit:
tu peu pas nous le traduire grosse feignasse !!! fouet fouet hi


J'ai expliqué comment traduire en début de post et puis c pour les motos d'hommes donc rentre chez toi jeune délinquant imberbe ptdr
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 20:50

c bon je sais quoi mettre dans ma ferrari maintenant yeah yeah mdr
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 20:56

hm450 a écrit:
nitrousoxyde a écrit:
tu peu pas nous le traduire grosse feignasse !!! fouet fouet hi


J'ai expliqué comment traduire en début de post et puis c pour les motos d'hommes donc rentre chez toi jeune délinquant imberbe ptdr

putaiin !! on peu rien de demander a toi !!! fouet tu me rappelle ma femme !! mdr clin d'oeil
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 21:12



Pourquoi elle parle Anglais elle aussi ?
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 21:13

monosapiens a écrit:


Pourquoi elle parle Anglais elle aussi ?


mdr
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 21:21

oui oui !! elle me traduit tous mes films de cul mdr clin d'oeil

bon c'est pas fini oui !!!!

c'est un sujet serieux bordel de dieu de pompe a boulette !!! hi
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 21:29

nitrousoxyde a écrit:
oui oui !! elle me traduit tous mes films de cul mdr clin d'oeil

bon c'est pas fini oui !!!!

c'est un sujet serieux bordel de dieu de pompe a boulette !!! hi


la vache qu'elle traduction trop balaise

yesssssssss -> ouiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Yesss-> ouiii



allez une facile



























ahhhhh -> ahhhhh


mdr


bon s'est fini se pourrissage de post ange
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    25.10.12 23:09

Pfff... Tu parles ! perplexe

JeePee y met un texte bidon (d'huile ptdr) trop long, à des illettrés tels que vous !

Y veut juste causer, y se sent seul le pauvre... Attends, je vais chercher du whisky et des pop corn et j'reviens.

Ah au fait, le texte parle d'huile, etc. On s'en fout mdr
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    26.10.12 11:06

Pour résumer, la lubrification séparée, c'est pas bien fume

Il faut utiliser de la 10W40 aux normes API et JASO fume

Il ne faut pas mettre d'huile automobile, c'est pas les mêmes agents (friction, lubrification ... ) fume

Honda c'est les meilleurs fume

Plus qu'à rayer les mentions inutiles vert
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MessageSujet: Re: Quelle huile pour ma mob ?    26.10.12 11:12

staedtler a écrit:
Pour résumer, la lubrification séparée, c'est pas bien fume

Il faut utiliser de la 10W40 aux normes API et JASO fume

Il ne faut pas mettre d'huile automobile, c'est pas les mêmes agents (friction, lubrification ... ) fume

Honda c'est les meilleurs fume

Plus qu'à rayer les mentions inutiles vert


Je l'savais !!! ptdr

L'est où Xrman01 ? On a besoin d'une expertise contraire !! mdr
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